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I wish some of the self-appointed internet autism advocates would understand that adhd people can in fact experience things like sensory overwhelm and misophonia, these traits are not exclusive to autism, and adhd people talking about our experiences with them are not ‘invalidating autistic people’ and we’re not all ‘pretending we’re not autistic to avoid stigma’ (as if adhd doesn’t come with a pile of stigma as well)

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I’ve seen them saying that people with adhd who talk about having traits that overlap with autistic traits are just lying to themselves because they’re ableist and don’t want to admit that they have autism, so that’s why they go for an adhd diagnosis instead of an autism diagnosis

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It was the opposite way round for me, there were way more resources describing autism so that was what I researched first, and I felt like quite a lot of the traits resonated with me but there were a lot that didn’t. On the autism tests I looked at online I always scored higher than people without autism but lower than people with an autism diagnosis so it left me confused

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It wasn’t until years later that I found out that adhd wasn’t just ‘trouble sitting still disorder’ for kids, researched it and realised that I’m a textbook case of inattentive adhd

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I’m still open to the idea that I’m autistic (it’s not uncommon for people to be both adhd and autistic) but I did another online test the other day and it just felt like it didn’t quite fit?

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Although I did try a different test and closed it after about 4 questions because they were impossibly vague, like ‘I prefer doing things with other people rather than alone, yes or no?’ Okay, but what ‘things’ are we talking about? Which people? How tired am I in this scenario? Have I just come off a block of shifts or am I well-rested?

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Not sure if my inability to answer these questions means I’m more or less likely to be autistic, lol

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(as ever, this is me complaining about people on instagram, not anybody on here)

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@dreadpirateyarr online quizzes are kinda bullshit.
I'd tell you to get a professional, but unless you have perfect recall of your childhood, that' not likely to help either.

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@dhfir they’re definitely to be taken with a pinch of salt (and some of them seem kinda outdated anyway), so I dunno. I could go back to the psychiatrist who’ll still have all my records from my adhd diagnosis and ask them about autism, but I’m not sure there’s much point since there’s hardly any support for autistic adults anyway

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@dreadpirateyarr iirc autism diagnosis depends on details from the patient's childhood, and therefore adults rarely get diagnosed with the stuff.

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@dhfir yep, similarly with an adhd diagnosis they like to see evidence that it’s been present since childhood as well so luckily I was able to bring in things like old school report cards which very much supported my theory that I had adhd, lol. But yeah, I still think it’s a lot less likely that I would get an autism diagnosis

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@dreadpirateyarr this is completely unrelated to your very good point about gatekeeping psychological symptoms, but do you want a link to an autistic-curated list of diagnostic criteria for autism? A lot of the standard tests are intensely "these are the symptoms that make life inconvenient for autism parents" in a way that undermines their validity for some autistic folks, so the result for autistic-authored criteria might give you a better yea-or-nay result.

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@packbat that would be helpful, thanks! A lot of the tests I’ve seen have seemed pretty reductive and clinical in that neurotypical-authored way

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@packbat thank you!

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@dreadpirateyarr
I totally agree with you here.
Plus, current science is tending towards the theory that the two are highly comorbid.
From what I've heard/read it seems like a higher percentage of people with Autism also have ADHD than that people with ADHD also have Autism.
Either way, if you experience a symptom, treat the symptom.
A huge part of ADHD is having trouble identifying and processing sensory input.. it logically follows that we're likely to be overwhelmed by it!

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@avalon yeah, there are clear and logical scientific explanations behind people with adhd experiencing sensory overwhelm and emotional dysregulation so I’m not sure why some loud ‘neurodiversity advocates’ on places like insta are trying to argue that they’re not adhd traits

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@dreadpirateyarr I thought I was probably autistic since I was about 14. I didn't realise I might be ADHD until my late twenties. I suspect I'm probably both, but the ADHD is way more relevant / pertinent on a day to day basis, and I could really have done with having it pointed out sooner.

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@swift yeah, when I finally looked into adhd it was like a lightbulb moment!

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@dreadpirateyarr @swift it's interesting, because I never considered myself "normal" - I have never related to party scenes in shows and movies, and the more I have learned about ADHD the more firm my self diagnosis is. I don't know exactly what kind or how much, but... Definitely more than most

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@ketmorco @swift there are so many people who grew up feeling like something was a bit ‘off’, then discovered what adhd actually is and went ‘oh my god, that’s it’ and are just now being diagnosed as adults

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@dreadpirateyarr Same, actually. I believed I was on the autistic spectrum, went to get a diagnosis and ended up with PDD-NOS. But I was always confused because I actually can read NT social cues (and in fact kind of rely on them to know people aren't mad at me, because RSD), and unlike the autistic people I knew I struggle to sit and do the same thing for a long time, even if it's something I'm enjoying.

In many cases I feel like I'm autistic, and in many cases I feel like I'm the polar opposite.

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@monsterblue I’m similar in that I’m good at reading people’s negative body language, but I’m not always so good at picking up positive body language (probably an RSD thing/almost trauma response)

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@dreadpirateyarr I feel angry about people who try to just bucket neurodiversity.

We all have some amount of AD(H)D and autistic tendencies. Some are just "taller" than others.

My experience is that it's folks believing themselves NT that are the gatekeepers and labelmakers.

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@ketmorco
"Some tendenciea are just taller than others" is a really neat way to phrase that, i like it :)
@dreadpirateyarr

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@dreadpirateyarr This whole discussion comes as a surprise to me - a recently self-diagnosed autistic person. I honestly think it's easier to wear the label of having Autism than ADHD.

But perhaps that's because I have more academic interests and some ppl have the idea that autistic ppl are geniuses, not a bad stereotype to have if you're into academia.

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@amici it probably completely depends on the circles you’re in and who you’re talking to, people in academia are maybe more clued up on autism whereas the more general population are maybe less informed

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@dreadpirateyarr Yeah, but I think that when it comes to finding love and relationships - like going on Tinder - then I'd much rather be ADHD than autistic. I just think autistic sounds more off-putting - weird and clinically mysterious - than ADHD. So definitely a matter of context.

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@amici true! The average person would probably think ‘adhd? That just means you get distracted, right?’ and wouldn’t expect it to affect the relationship, whereas with autism they might be more likely to associate it with social difficulties

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@dreadpirateyarr

As an autist and ADHDer, I’m very sorry this is a thing! This reminds me of accusations of appropriation when nonautistic people say they have stims or special interests. And I just don’t think that’s how it works at all! We all have overlapping needs and arbitrarily restricting who gets to use what words only hurts us. I even try to get neurotypicals (or seeming neurotypicals) to use language like sensory overload, etc because it makes communication easier.

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@winter and even NT people probably experience some kind of sensory overload from time to time, it just doesn’t impact them as strongly or as often!

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