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Are we done patting ourselves on the back for a job well done blocking an instance that hasn't even gone live yet? I wish the fediverse on the whole was this vocal while instances full manipulative cliques of "problematic favs" were busying themselves with bullying off a bunch of Black users like it was nothing, or causing some users to feel they need to make their presence smaller to survive without being harassed. 1/2

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

Sure there's no Trump instance in our corner of the fediverse but so what? A massive silo of bile can be blocked from your gaze easy-peasy with a few clicks. There's no Play Vicious amongst us anymore. Have a think on what that tells us of the health of this place instead 2/2

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Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@virtualwolf @Shrigglepuss

also it seems to be widely overlooked that even if Trump was President of USA for a few years, he's now just an old man and a figurehead; I doubt if he knows one end of a computer from the other.

As flawed as the tech of this instance may be, younger, angrier, ambitious people who believe in hard right politics went to the effort to make it happen - /they/ are the real issue..

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@vfrmedia @virtualwolf @Shrigglepuss He's a golden calf; people are turning him into some kind of fascism prophet. Even after his death, people will still worship him like any other cult does with its founder.

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@yuki @virtualwolf @Shrigglepuss

indeed, similar to Thatcho in the UK (who has been dead several years now), much of the dysfunctional behaviour of the current govt is an attempt to reboot the Thatcher era like some kind of cargo cult...

re: Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss to this very day I still miss PV and it should've never went out the way it did.

re: Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@melaniemoo same! The people I met through PV had me feeling a true sense of community, it's so hollow here since

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss
It's actually a Good Thing for parlor, gab and trumptruth.social or w/e. Keeps all the idiots in one place self-reinforcing each other and easy to block and mute and generally ignore the fsck out of.

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss Mastodon was dead when it was conceived. You can't put this many people that can't function with other people in one place. Lot of people aren't on here because they hate big technology or anything like that. A lot of them are on here because they can't deal with people calling their behaviour out

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss I don't get why there was that big a fuss about it really, it's just another one of fash instances to be blocked, and that labour is necessary only bc Mastodon sucks. I can literally set up a local vm w/o even a domain and federate with random instances. That's bad.

But ofc banning trump is such an easy decision, even freeze peach instances are doing it, so we can as well be self-congratulating w/o upsetting left coded abuse instances! How cool!

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@cadadr @Shrigglepuss it's an online continuation of white people using Trump as a bogeyman to avoid examining their own whiteness and how violent they are to POC.

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@ljwrites @Shrigglepuss And disableds.

Privileged left is a group where all you need to enter is to hate the right people/concepts, like Trump, Thatcher, Hitler; capitalism, slavery, rich folks, obvious stuff. Then you are licensed to be queermisic, ablist, racist etc, and when someone tries to hold you accountable you're "ironic" (sounds familiar no) or you're not in the mental space rn to process it atm, capitalism/patriarchy is oh so tough on (only?) you.

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@cadadr I otherwise agree with all of this and it is extremely well written, but ...
Disableds?
@ljwrites @Shrigglepuss

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Mayana @ljwrites @Shrigglepuss oh, I'm sorry if it's an offensive word, didn't know, if that was the case. Was "disabled people" originally but I changed it to fit 500 chars.

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@cadadr I'd imagine it's sort of like saying autists or blinds. I'm not one for person-first language exactly but making adjectives into nouns like that does feel a little wrong somehow. So yeah, if you can manage to fit in disabled people (or folks, which's shorter) in from now on, that'd be better.
Weirder.earth really should join the larger character limit club. Might be worth begging thea admins about it? You are on Hometown, after all, shouldn't be hard.
@ljwrites @Shrigglepuss

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Mayana @ljwrites @Shrigglepuss Will definitely keep in mind, thanks for the heads up!

We actually did have a poll about when I moved here, but the mods didn't yet get around to implementing it. Folks decided to increase it to 1500 chars or 1312.

I was soo used to having no limits on toot.cat... With 500 chars sometimes I end up with mistakes that are not only offensive like here, but the opposite of what I wanna say, because after many edits I get confused...

re: Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@cadadr @Shrigglepuss is this about whitelisting?

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss Back when PV was still around I was already thinking of how to improve the social parameters of federation.

I think what we need isn't a blocklist-based approach, where the real malicious fuckers will just spawn yet another instance to harass from. Rather we need a reputation model for users and servers, where your opinion of some user or server is something I can see and can filter by.

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss

Thread is on point.

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss
wait as a newcomer can I get some context/history for this???

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@jonny There was a popular instance here called Play Vicious ran by a Black admin with a userbase of mostly (but not exclusively) Black users and it was one of the very few instances that was truthfully anti-racist beyond just paying the idea of it lip-service which seemed to intimidate the wider fediverse. It was a beautifully diverse instance but a lot of people here saw it as not much more than a "put all the Black people over there" space 1/3

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@jonny
They were continuously and at times relentlessly harassed and were met with hostility from the wider fediverse in every way you could imagine including microagressions, physical threats, isolation, gaslighting etc and very little was done by users from other instances to call it out. Some of the bullying even came from popular "leftist" users and instances. 2/3

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@jonny After several years of this they closed, because the fediverse clearly wasn't ready to have those conversations. A lot of the nasties are still here. As a newcomer I guess just pay attention to how people are behaving around/about others and keep in mind that although this is a lefty space that doesn't mean it can't be deeply toxic in places 3/3

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss
I wonder about longer term lessons learned, about the ways communities can build their own topologies of affiliation without an endless fragmentation, choosing the terms of engagement, and genuinely having space so that nasty people from one instance can't make it uninhabitable as a whole

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@Shrigglepuss
and of course thank you for the catch-up

Meta / Trump instance / fediverse 

@jonny A lot of the problems that happened were enabled by a lack of good quality tools to reduce harassment with less work needed, there doesn't seem to be any intention from the main developers of Mastodon to do much about that, I'm personally just waiting for the right moment to jump ship to something better that's built from the ground up with these lessons learned and appropriate improvements made

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